Beware when someone says “it’s so easy”
当有人说“这很简单”时要小心。
WARREN BUFFETT: Number 7, please.
沃伦·巴菲特:请给我 7 号。
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Mr. Buffett and Mr. Munger, thanks for hosting this wonderful meeting. My name is Chander Chavla (PH), and I’m visiting from Seattle, Washington.
观众成员:巴菲特先生和芒格先生,感谢你们举办这次精彩的会议。我的名字是钱德·查夫拉(音),我来自华盛顿州的西雅图。
And I think Berkshire Hathaway can contribute to the reduction of global warming if, for next year shareholder’s meeting, Mr. Gates and I fly on the same plane. (Laughter)
我认为,如果明年股东大会时盖茨先生和我乘坐同一架飞机,伯克希尔·哈撒韦可以为减少全球变暖做出贡献。(笑声)
My question is, I have made a few mistakes in business by trusting the wrong people. So in — and I don’t know where to learn how to trust the right people.
我的问题是,我在生意中因为信错了人而犯了一些错误。所以在——我不知道该去哪里学习如何信任正确的人。
They don’t teach you that in business school, and the people who are supposed to teach you in the corporate world sometimes betray you.
他们在商学院里不教你这些,而那些在企业界应该教你的人有时会背叛你。
So how can I learn who to trust and who not to trust?
那么我该如何学会信任谁和不信任谁呢?
WARREN BUFFETT: Boy, that’s a great question. But you probably have about as good a chance of getting a good answer from me on that as you have on getting on Bill Gates’ plane next year. (Laughter)
沃伦·巴菲特:哇,这是个好问题。但是你可能从我这里得到一个好的答案的机会和你明年跟比尔·盖茨同一班飞机的机会差不多。(笑声)
I get letters all the time, and I hear from people who have been taken advantage of in financial transactions. And, you know, it really is — it’s sad. And a lot of it isn’t even — it’s not fraud or anything.
我经常收到信件,听到一些人在金融交易中受到欺骗的故事。你知道,这真的很令人伤心。而且很多时候——这并不是欺诈或其他的东西。
For one thing, I mean, just the charges involved, the frictional costs and the baloney that is presented is tough.
首先,我的意思是,仅仅是涉及的费用、摩擦成本和所呈现的胡扯就很难处理。
Charlie and I have had very good luck in terms of buying businesses and putting our trust in people. It’s been just overwhelmingly good.
查理和我在购买企业和信任他人方面一直非常幸运。这一直是非常好的。
But we filter out a lot of people. And then you say, “Well, how do you filter them out?”
但是我们筛选掉了很多人。然后你会问:“那么你是如何筛选他们的?”
I would say — I think Charlie will agree with this — people give themselves away fairly often. And maybe it does help to have been around as long as we have in seeing the various ways they give themselves away.
我会说——我认为查理会同意这一点——人们经常会暴露出自己的本性。而且,可能在我们这么多年里,看到的各种方式让我们更能识别这些。
They — when somebody comes to me with a business — and I probably shouldn’t tell this publicly because they’ll probably tailor their approach subsequently — but when they come, just the very things they talk about, what they regard as important and not important, there are a lot of clues that come as to subsequent behavior.
当有人带着一个生意来找我时——我可能不应该公开说这个,因为他们可能会因此调整他们的方式——但当他们来时,仅仅是他们谈论的事情,他们认为重要和不重要的东西,就有很多线索可以预示后续的行为。
And, like I say, we’ve really had a batting average I wouldn’t have thought we would have had in the people that we’ve joined with.
就像我说的,我们在与我们合作的人中取得了我原本没想到的击球率。
But it hasn’t been a hundred percent. It’s been well above 90. And I get asked that, you know, I mean, “How do you make those judgments?” And I don’t know.
但这并不是百分之百。一直在 90%以上。有人问我,“你是如何做出这些判断的?”我也不知道。
Charlie, can you articulate the way we do it?
查理,你能阐述一下我们是怎么做的吗?
CHARLIE MUNGER: Well, partly we’re deeply suspicious when the proposition is too good to be true.
查理·芒格:嗯,部分原因是当提议好得令人难以置信时,我们会深感怀疑。
Warren once introduced me to a gentleman promoter who wanted to inveigle us into an insurance program. And he said, “We only write fire insurance on concrete bridges that are covered by water.” He says, “It’s like taking candy from babies.” We are able to filter out propositions like that.
沃伦曾经向我介绍一个想要引诱我们参与保险计划的推销员。他说,“我们只对被水覆盖的混凝土桥梁进行火灾保险。”他说,“这就像从婴儿手中拿糖果。”我们能够过滤掉这样的提议。
WARREN BUFFETT: Yeah. Anybody that, implicit in their comments or what they kind of laugh about or — all kinds of things in terms of the fact — you know, it’s so easy and — it ain’t that easy, you know, and we get suspicious very quickly.
沃伦·巴菲特:是的。任何人,无论是在他们的评论中隐含的,还是他们有点嘲笑的,或者是各种各样的事情——你知道,这么容易——其实没那么容易,你知道,我们会很快产生怀疑。
And the truth is, we rule out 90 percent of the times. And we may be wrong about a fair number that we’re ruling out. The important thing is whether the ones we’re ruling in we’re right about.
事实上,我们会排除90%的情况。我们可能会对不少被排除的人做出错误判断。重要的是,我们对那些留下的人是否正确。
And so we don’t mind — we’re looking for the obvious cases of people you can trust.
所以我们不介意——我们在寻找那些显而易见的值得信任的人。
I mean, go back to 1969 again. When I was thinking about who to turn my partners over to, all kinds of people with great records. That was a hedge fund — that was the first hay-day of hedge funds. And there were books written about it, “New Breed on Wall Street” and some of those. You can look them up.
我的意思是,再回到 1969 年。当我在考虑把我的合伙人交给谁时,各种有着优秀记录的人。那是一个对冲基金——那是对冲基金的第一个辉煌时期。还有一些书是关于它的,比如《华尔街的新生代》等。你可以查一下。
And dozens and dozens and dozens of people with good records. And when I sat down and thought about, I’m going to write my partners and tell them who to turn over all their money to — because most of them had a hundred percent or close to it with me — you know, Charlie, Sandy, Bill Ruane.
有数十个人都有很好的记录。当我坐下来思考要给我的合作伙伴写信,告诉他们该把他们的钱交给谁——因为他们大部分人几乎都把钱交给我——我想到了查理、桑迪和比尔·鲁安。
I couldn’t have told you which of the three was going to do the best. And, you know, I couldn’t even tell you those three would done better than five others that somebody else might pick.
我无法告诉你这三个人中谁会表现得最好。而且,你知道,我甚至不能告诉你这三个人会比其他可能选出的五个人表现得更好。
But the one thing I was sure of is that they were going to be sensational stewards of money.
但我确信的一件事是,他们将成为出色的资金管理者。
They were going to care more about those people — the people that were turned over to them — in getting the best result possible than they were going to care about, you know, whether they made X or 2X this year in terms of commissions or fees or any of that sort of thing.
他们会更加关心那些被转交给他们的人,想尽一切办法获得最佳的结果,而不是关心自己能否在这个年度获得多少佣金或费用。
Anytime I find somebody with a — what I regard as an unfair fee structure, and saying, “Well, I can get it,” well, you know, I rule them out.
每当我发现有人有——我认为不公平的收费结构,并且说:“好吧,我能接受,”你知道,我就把他们排除在外。
And I may rule out some of the wrong people. But the ones that are left in, I feel very good about. And I wish I could give you better advice than that, but that’s all I can do.
我可能会排除一些不合适的人。但留下来的人,我感到非常满意。我希望能给你更好的建议,但这就是我所能做的。